tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2974406546323301344.post2023867787470069496..comments2023-04-08T06:06:13.055-07:00Comments on Notes from the Pens: A Place of No ReturnAya Katzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07830585801297506770noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2974406546323301344.post-82773627635488654442018-01-14T11:26:08.848-08:002018-01-14T11:26:08.848-08:00Yes, Julia, I agree. It can be a choice that is di...Yes, Julia, I agree. It can be a choice that is dictated by love, not economics. But we are tempting those who have less to take a different path, because they are given money to walk away from their family members. Aya Katzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07830585801297506770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2974406546323301344.post-74009841589831324372018-01-14T11:19:03.040-08:002018-01-14T11:19:03.040-08:00Today even families who have some money and run th...Today even families who have some money and run their own businesses, or have careers, want to stay together. My Vietnamese friend and her mom still live together because she was born there and believes in this way of life.Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11147781152448695481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2974406546323301344.post-84150628683787096212018-01-14T10:51:47.780-08:002018-01-14T10:51:47.780-08:00Hi, Julia. I agree. There definitely seems to be a...Hi, Julia. I agree. There definitely seems to be a move afoot to institutionalize just about everybody, starting with infants, continuing with school age children, and then all the way down to our elders. When people did not have so many options for others to pay for their daycare and elder care, families stayed together throughout the lifespan. Aya Katzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07830585801297506770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2974406546323301344.post-87358404510240964382018-01-14T10:11:25.184-08:002018-01-14T10:11:25.184-08:00I wouldn ot put my parents in a rest home because ...I wouldn ot put my parents in a rest home because if have seen how these work. Some facilities are really good, but it seems to be part of this culture where people have kids, but when they are out and about they want to ignore the kids to talk to other adults. They want the kids to do lots of activities to encourage independence, which is a good thing, but it seems like when everyone turns eighteen it is all about having the kids move out. Then when parents become to old to take care of themselves, the kids put them in a rest home and rarely visit. I suppose I just prefer other cultures where several generations live together and take care of each other. I am not saying people have to do this, but I will not be putting my parents in one of those facilities. I would rather take care of them, or hire a nurse if necessary. I think Bow would not be happy in a sanctuary, and it seems these days they want everyone to become part of institutional living. Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11147781152448695481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2974406546323301344.post-14589947306925866322018-01-14T07:14:05.080-08:002018-01-14T07:14:05.080-08:00Hi, Kathy. I actually did once make a research pro...Hi, Kathy. I actually did once make a research proposal that I submitted to Frans de Waal for a chimpanzee preschool, where some chimpanzees would get to go home to their humans at the end of the day, while others remained in a chimpanzee only group. I wanted to test learning under the different conditions. Today, I would welcome having a community where enculturated chimps get to socialize with one another in a central location for chimps only, but come back to their respective human homes at the end of the day, or whenever they want. The fact that the powers that be have it set up where there is no return is what makes it impossible for chimpanzees to socialize with other chimpanzees by choice and not by force.Aya Katzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07830585801297506770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2974406546323301344.post-60646777173895602222018-01-14T06:29:00.042-08:002018-01-14T06:29:00.042-08:00I loved your last point - if it were a good place,...I loved your last point - if it were a good place, they would not have a not return policy.<br />I also agree with you that, even though we believe that all people should have choices, there is a more subtle common sense consideration when you're speaking of children, including teenagers, that can't even make good decisions about when to go to bed or what to eat. <br />"Let Bow decide"? In so many ways, Bow is still like a child, even though he's the age of a teenager. As far as I can tell, he's not savvy to what goes on in much of the real world out there, so how in the world could he possibly make that decision, even if you were to let him? How frustrating for you. <br />It really is too bad though that there isn't a "chimpanzee playschool" where he could visit during the day occasionally. Nikkis Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04900207220789667368noreply@blogger.com